This is my first pair of Teton Twills. If my memory serves me well from checking these out at stores in the past, the fabric has been dumbed down an ounce or two a yard. What remains to sell them at current price point is MK's signature add-on features ie gussetted crotch, doubled fabric at bottom cuff , double front pocket. There are a lot of khakis to choose from these days. I am pretty happy with these.